MY CONVERSATION WITH GOD

Vince: So God, From 2 Peter 3:9, I understand that You are not willing that anybody at all should die, but what I want to know is this hell fire everyone seems to go on about. What's the go with that?

God: Oh yes, Hell fire, yes, a lot of people teach about that, but you know what the funny thing is? I'll tell you in Hebrews 12:29, why dont you look it up.

Vince: Okay, I have it here, Hebrews 12:29: "For our God [is] a consuming fire."

God: Hey, you are doing well! I am a consuming fire to sin wherever it is.

Vince: Okay, that is fair enough, but what about the wicked and Sinners burning forever and ever without end. So in other words, do they just feel pain forever?.

God: Ah, Malachi 4:1-3 (KJV): "1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.

Vince:Oh right, so what exactly am I ment to pick out?


God: Tell me, if the wicked are in a sate as it says in Malachi 4:1-3, will they by alive for eternity? It says that the wicked will be as "stuble", and "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet", I dont know about you, but ashes under the soles of your feet doesn't sound like someone that is alive. Just from that one verse, you could say that the wicked will eventually die and disappear, not live forever in pain and turmoil.

Vince: Oh right, but what if that is just the one verse that mentions the wicked actually destroyed and not living forever in punishment?

God: Psalms 37:10, "For yet a little while, and the wicked [shall] not [be]: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it [shall] not [be]."

Vince: I see, so the wicked will eventually not exist, and as the says in the last part of that verse, you might try finding the wicked, but "it shall not be", or you will not find them, because they "will not be" or will cease to exist.

God: Exactly and here is just a few more, because I know that you are one that needs more proof at times.

Vince: Oh, there are more verses?

God: Psalms 37:20, "But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away."

Vince: Okay, fair enough

God: Oh, and Psalms 37:36, (speaking of the wicked) "Yet he passed away, and, lo, he [was] not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found."

Vince: Okay okay, I get it now, but what about the passages in the Bible like Matthew 25:46?

God: Well, you read from your Bible and tell me what it says

Vince: okay, it says, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

God: You just answered your question

Vince: What? How?

God: Note that the text says "everlasting punishment". It is a single punishment whose effect lasts forever, i.e. the punishment will be everlasting.

Vince: Okay, you are seriously going to have to explain that one God

God: Thats alright, read Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Vince: Well what do you know, it even says that Sodom and Gomorrha were examples of what happens to the wicked

God: And notice how it says that they suffered the vengeance of eternal fire? Tell me, is Sodom and Gomorrha still burning today?

Vince: ummm... No, Oh, now I get you, it's this whole the "effects of the punishment or fire is eternal" thing the Bible is talking about right?

God: Exactly, Sodom and gomorrah are examples of everlasting punishment and eternal fire. These cities lie in ruins today.

Vince: That reminds me of 2 Peter 2:6 "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an example unto those that after should live ungodly. . ."

God: That is right, and I even went to the extent of adding that Sodom and Gomorrha were examples of what happens to the wicked.

Vince: Oh yes, I am beginning to get the picture now.

God: Now try Matthew 3:11, 12 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire: Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire". In other words, the fire cannot be quenched or put out until it completes its work of totally eradicating sin from the universe.

Vince: Oh, now it is getting more clearer

God: Jeremiah 17:19-27 ". . .Thus saith the LORD. . .if ye will not hearken unto me . . . then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched."

Vince: Oh, I see that it said that Jerusalem was destroyed with unquenchable fire

God: Right, Jerusalem was destroyed by an unquenchable fire which human hands could not put out. It completed its work of totally destroying Jerusalem, yet Jerusalem is not burning today

Vince: And why didn't I see it this clearly before?

God: All you had to do was read the Bible and hold a conversation with me

Vince: So please explain more to me this concept of eternity, eternal fire etc.

God: Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever". This has always been the big one, but it means that the wicked will be destroyed forever. Forever does not always mean endless existence but is literally translated "until the end of age".

God: To illustrate, in Exodus 21:6 "hen his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever". The slave here is required to serve his master forever, or in other words, as long as he lives.

Vince: Oh! Now I get it!


God: There are many examples of this, even in 1 Samuel 1:22,28, Samuel was presented before the Lord to serve God forever. We know that Samuel isn't alive today. Forever here once again means, for as long as he lives

Vince: Thank you God.

God: Vince study my Word always and keep in touch every second…….and Very soon you will be with Me forever.

The Purpose of the Latter Rain

1. The latter rain fully ripens earth’s harvest and thus prepares it for the sickle.

“The latter rain, falling near the close of the season, ripens the grain and prepares it for the sickle.” TM 506

“As the dew and the rain are given first to cause the seed to germinate, and then to ripen the harvest, so the Holy Spirit is given to carry forward, from one stage to another, the process of spiritual growth. The ripening of the grain represents the completion of the work of God’s grace in the soul. By the power of the Holy Spirit the moral image of God is to be perfected in the character. We are to be wholly transformed into the likeness of Christ.” TM 506

Notice the expressions which are very significant:
“Ripens the grain.”
“Prepares it for the sickle.”
“The completion of the work of God’s grace in the soul.”
“The moral image of God is to be perfected in the character.”
“We are to be wholly transformed into the likeness of Christ.”

2. The latter rain seals God’s people, making permanent their early rain experience of complete, unbroken victory over sin.

“When the decree [the National Sunday Law] goes forth, and the stamp is impressed [the seal of God], their character will remain pure and spotless for eternity.” 5T 216

“The despised remnant are clothed in glorious apparel, never more to be deified by the corruptions of the world….Now they are eternally secure from the tempter’s devices….holy angels, unseen were passing to and fro, placing upon them the seal of the living God.” 5T 475

The seal of God is, “A settling into the truth, both intellectually and spiritually, so they cannot be moved.” 4 BC 1161

3. The latter rain empowers God’s people to give the loud cry. It gives power to the loud cry of the third angel.

“At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel. At that time the ‘latter rain, ’ or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come to give power to the loud voice of the third angel.” EW 85–86

4. The latter rain prepares God’s people for the time of trouble.

“It is the latter rain which revives and strengthens them to pass through the time of trouble.” 1T 353

“At that time [the little time of trouble] the ‘latter rain, ’ or refreshing from the presence of the Lord, will come to…prepare the saints to stand in the period when the seven last plagues shall be poured out.” EW 86–86

“The work of this angel comes in at the right time to join in the last great work of the third angel’s message as it swells to a loud cry. And the people of God are thus prepared to stand in the hour of temptation, which they are soon to meet.” EW 277

5. The latter rain prepares God’s people for the coming of Jesus.

“The latter rain, ripening earth’s harvest, represents the spiritual grace that prepares the church for the coming of the Son of man.” TM 506

“But unless the members of God’s church today have a living connection with the Source of all spiritual growth, they will not be ready for the time of reaping. Unless they keep their lamps trimmed and burning, they will fail of receiving added grace in times of special need.” “Those only who are constantly receiving fresh supplies of grace, will have power proportionate to their daily need and their ability to use that power.” AA 55

6. The latter rain prepares God’s people for the finishing touch of immortality and translation.

“Those who come up to every point, and stand every test, and overcome, be the price what it may, have heeded the counsel of the True Witness, and they will receive the latter rain, and thus be fitted for translation.” 1T 187

“None are living Christians unless they have a daily experience in the things of God and daily practice self–denial, cheerfully bearing the cross and following Christ. Every living Christian will advance daily in the divine life. As he advances toward perfection, he experiences a conversion to God every day; and this conversion is not completed until he attains to perfection of Christian character, a full preparation for the finishing touch of immortality.” 2T 505

7. The latter rain prepares God’s people to look upon the face and to live in the presence of a holy God.

“Those who receive the seal of the living God and are protected in the time of trouble must reflect the image of Jesus fully. I saw that many were neglecting the preparation so needful and were looking to the time of ‘refreshing’ and the ‘latter rain’ to fit them to stand in the day of the Lord and to live in His sight. Oh, how many I saw in the time of trouble without a shelter! They [the professed Christians] had neglected the needful preparation; therefore they could not receive the refreshing [the latter rain] that all must have to fit them to live in the sight of a holy God.” EW 71

The summary of the seven-fold purpose of the latter rain

1. Ripens grain for harvest
2. Seals God’s people in permanent and absolute surrender
3. Empowers people of god to proclaim loud cry
4. Fits people of god for time of trouble
5. Prepares for the coming of Christ by cleansing of all earthliness
6. Prepares for immortality and for translation
7. Fits them to live in the sight of a holy God without an intercessor in the sanctuary

Preparation for the Latter Rain Outpouring

“Ask ye of the Lord rain in the time of the latter rain; so the Lord shall make bright clouds, and give them showers of rain, to every one grass in the field.” Zechariah 10:1

“Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.” Hosea 6:3

“I saw that many were neglecting the preparation so needful and were looking to the time of “refreshing” and the “latter rain” to fi t them to stand in the day of the Lord and to live in His sight. Oh, how many I saw in the time of trouble without a shelter! They had neglected the needful preparation; therefore they could not receive the refreshing that all must have to fit them to live in the sight of a holy God. Those who refuse to be hewed by the prophets and fail to purify their souls in obeying the whole truth, and who are willing to believe that their condition is far better than it really is, will come up to the time of the falling of the plagues, and then see that they needed to be hewed and squared for the building. But there will be no time then to do it and no Mediator to plead their cause before the Father.” EW 71

“Many have in a great measure failed to receive the former rain. They have not obtained all the benefits that God has thus provided for them. They expect that the lack will be supplied by the latter rain. When the richest abundance of grace shall be bestowed, they intend to open their hearts to receive it. They are making a terrible mistake. The work that God has begun in the human heart in giving His light and knowledge must be continually going forward. Every individual must realize his own necessity. The heart must be emptied of every defilement and cleansed for the indwelling of the Spirit. It was by the confession and forsaking of sin, by earnest prayer and consecration of themselves to God that the early disciples prepared for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. The same work, only in greater degree, must be done now. Then the human agent had only to ask for the blessing, and wait for the Lord to perfect the work concerning him. It is God who began the work, and He will finish His work, making man complete in Jesus Christ. But there must be no neglect of the grace represented by the former rain. Only those who are living up to the light they have will receive greater light. Unless we are daily advancing in the exemplification of the active Christian virtues, we shall not recognize the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in the latter rain. It may be falling on hearts all around us, but we shall not discern or receive it.” TM 507

Two thoughts which stand out very clearly among others in this quotation is that:

 The early rain experience is an experience in which there is a greater degree of confession and forsaking of sin, a greater degree and intensity of prayer and consecration to God, and

 The early rain experience = living up to and walking in all the light we have.

“We may be sure that when the Holy Spirit is poured out those who did not receive and appreciate the early rain will not see or understand the value of the latter rain. When we are truly consecrated to God, His love will abide in our hearts by faith, and we will cheerfully do our duty in accordance with the will of God.” TM 399



The latter rain is definitely not designed to achieve, namely:
 Not to give us victory over faults, weaknesses and defects in our characters,
 Not to cleanse us of every defilement,
 Not to give us power to live up to the light we already have,
 Not to produce unity,
 Not to produce sinlessness of character,
 Not to make God’s people laborers together with God.

If ever these objectives are to be achieved, they must be had before, under the experience of the early rain.

“The great outpouring of the Spirit of God, which lightens the whole earth with his glory, will not come until we have an enlightened people, that know by experience what it means to be laborers together with God.
When we have entire, whole–hearted consecration to the service of Christ, God will recognize the fact by an outpouring of his Spirit without measure; but this will not be while the largest portion of the church are not laborers together with God. God cannot pour out his Spirit when selfishness and self–indulgence are so manifest; when a spirit prevails that, if put into words, would express that answer of Cain, —‘Am I my brother’s keeper?’” RH July 21, 1896

The outpouring of the Spirit of God in the days of the apostles was the beginning of the early, or former rain, and glorious was the result. Jesus had told them to tarry in Jerusalem until the promise of the Spirit should be fulfilled. But how did they prepare for this early rain outpouring?

“They did not wait in idleness. The record says that they were ‘continually in
the temple, praising and blessing God.’ Luke 24:53.” AA 35

“…they humbled their hearts in true repentance and confessed their unbelief.” AA 36

“The disciples prayed with intense earnestness for a fitness to meet men and in their daily intercourse to speak words that would lead sinners to Christ.” AA 37

“Putting away all differences, all desire for the supremacy, they came close together in Christian fellowship.” AA 37

“…it was after the disciples had come into perfect unity, when they were no longer striving for the highest place, that the Spirit was poured out.” 8T 20

“…under the influence of the Spirit, words of penitence and confession mingled with songs of praise for sins forgiven.” AA 38

“Daily they prayed for fresh supplies of grace, that they might reach higher and still higher toward perfection.” AA 49

“The great work of the gospel is not to close with less manifestation of the power of God than marked its opening. The prophecies which were fulfilled in the outpouring of the former rain at the opening of the gospel are again to be fulfilled in the latter rain at its close.” GC 611

Remember, the preparation which is to be, “The same work, only in greater degree, must be done now.”

What was the result of the outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost?

“The glad tidings of a risen Saviour were carried to the uttermost parts of the inhabited world.” AA 48

“The church beheld converts flocking to her from all directions. Backsliders were reconverted.” AA 48

“The ambition of the believers was to reveal the likeness of Christ’s character, and to labor for the enlargement of His kingdom.” AA 48

“I was shown that if God’s people make no efforts on their part, but wait for the refreshing to come upon them and remove their wrongs and correct their errors; if they depend upon that to cleanse them from filthiness of the flesh and spirit, and fit them to engage in the loud cry of the third angel, they will be found wanting. The refreshing or power of God comes only on those who have prepared themselves for it by doing the work which God bids them, namely, cleansing themselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” 1T 619

Receiving early rain is our preparation of receiving the latter rain

“I saw that none could share the ‘refreshing’ unless they obtain the victory over every besetment, over pride, selfishness, love of the world, and over every wrong word and action.” EW 71

“Not one of us will ever receive the seal of God while our characters have one spot or stain upon them. It is left with us to remedy the defects in our characters, to cleanse the soul–temple of every defilement. Then the latter rain will fall upon us as the early rain fell upon the disciples on the day of Pentecost.” 5T 214

“Today you are to have your vessel purified that it may be ready for the heavenly dew, ready for the showers of the latter rain; for the latter rain will come, and the blessing of God will fill every soul that is purified from every defilement. It is our work today to yield our souls to Christ, that we may be fitted for the time of refreshing from the presence of the Lord—fitted for the baptism of the Holy Spirit.” RH March 22, 1892

“May the Lord help His people to cleanse the soul temple from every defilement, and to maintain such a close connection with Him that they may be partakers of the Latter Rain when it shall be poured out.” 6 BC 1055



Early rain experience =

• Preparation for latter rain outpouring.
• Cleansing ourselves from filthiness of flesh and spirit.
• Cleansing our characters of all spots and stains.
• Remedying defects in our characters.
• Overcoming all temptation and sin.
• Emptying and cleansing hearts of all selfishness.
• Victory over every besetment and pride.
• Victory over every wrong word and action.
• Purification from every defilement.

Women of the Last Days

The forwardness of women to entrap souls did not end at Baal-peor. {AH 326.3}

Married men receive attention from married or unmarried women; women also appear to be charmed and lose reason and spiritual discernment and good common sense; they do the very things that the word of God condemns, the very things that the testimonies of the Spirit of God condemn. Warnings and reproofs are before them in clear lines, yet they go over the same path that others have traveled before them. It is like an infatuating game at which they are playing. Satan leads them on to ruin themselves, to imperil the cause of God, to crucify the Son of God afresh and put Him to an open shame AH 328.2

I write with a distressed heart that the women in this age, both married and unmarried, too frequently do not maintain the reserve that is necessary. They act like coquettes. They encourage the attentions of single and married men, and those who are weak in moral power will be ensnared. These things, if allowed, deaden the moral senses and blind the mind so that crime does not appear sinful. 1MCP 226

Women are too often tempters. On one pretense or another they engage the attention of men, married or unmarried, and lead them on till they transgress the law of God, till their usefulness is ruined, and their souls are in jeopardy. . . . If women would only elevate their lives and become workers with Christ, there would be less danger through their influence; but with their present feelings of unconcern in regard to home responsibilities and in regard to the claims that God has upon them, their influence is often strong in the wrong direction, their powers are dwarfed, and their work does not bear the divine impress. AH 333.1

There are so many forward misses and bold, forward women who have a faculty of insinuating themselves into notice, putting themselves in the company of young men, courting the attentions, inviting flirtations from married or unmarried men, that unless your face is set Christward, firm as steel, you will be drawn into Satan's net. {AH 333.2}

The usefulness of young ministers, married or unmarried, is often destroyed by the attachment shown to them by young women. Such women do not realize that other eyes are upon them, and that the course pursued by them may have a tendency to injure the influence of the minister to whom they give so much attention. If they would strictly regard the rules of propriety, it would be much better for them and much better for the minister. Their failure to do this places him in a disagreeable position, and causes others to look upon him in a wrong light. {GW 129.1}

The women in this age, both married and unmarried, too frequently do not maintain the reserve that is necessary. They encourage the attentions of single and married men, and those who are weak in moral power will be ensnared. Thoughts are awakened that would not have been if woman had kept her place in all modesty and sobriety. {LYL 74.3}

How many, even in the ranks of Sabbathkeepers, are forming unsanctified connections. Men who have wives and women who have husbands are showing affection and giving undue attention to each other [persons of the opposite sex]. How many men of promise there are in our ranks who no longer have pure faith and holy trust in God because they have betrayed sacred trusts. Noble aspirations are quenched. Their steps are retrograding because they covet another man's wife or are unduly familiar with unmarried women. Their frivolous conduct leads them to break the seventh commandment. Of Solomon the inspired record says, "His wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God" [1 Kings 11:4]. This is no theme to be treated with a smile. The heart that loves Jesus will not desire the unlawful affections of another. Every want is supplied in Christ. This superficial affection is of the same character as that exalted and enjoyment which Satan promised Eve. It is coveting that which God has forbidden. 21MR 381.7

I feel alarmed as I witness everywhere the frivolity of young men and young women who profess to believe the truth. God does not seem to be in their thoughts. Their minds are filled with nonsense. Their conversation is only empty, vain talk. They have a keen ear for music, and Satan knows what organs to excite to animate, engross, and charm the mind so that Christ is not desired. The spiritual longings of the soul for divine knowledge, for a growth in grace, are wanting. {AH 407.3}

The only safety for men and women, married or unmarried, is to shun love-sick sentimentalism, and all undue familiarity. These things have produced great evil in the world. SpTB16 4.1

“Remove your way far from her, And do not go near the door of her house,”-Proverbs 5:8

“Do not lust after her beauty in your heart, Nor let her allure you with her eyelids.”-Proverbs 6:25

Do not let your heart turn aside to her ways, Do not stray into her paths; For she has cast down many wounded, And all who were slain by her were strong men. Her house is the way to hell,Descending to the chambers of death.-Proverbs7:25-27

The Triumph of Truth

The whole world is in a state of retaliation.
Countless sins are committed with each rotation.
This is the cause of all retardation.
What follows after is more retrogration.
This may be called the age of modernization.
But the need continually increases for moralization.
Everywhere we look we see self–centralization,
When what is needed most is self–renunciation.

Satan is the cause of indignation.
He is the author of Babylon’s intoxication,
And seeks to keep God’s character in obscuration
To misrepresent God is his sole occupation;
And he never reveals his own reputation.
But the wise will avoid his deserved destination.

Now, Christ our Savior came to make reclamation
Of this sinful world in all its degradation.
His work was to make a complete revelation
Of God’s character in each situation,
And to make a sacrifice for our salvation.
All this was accomplished in Christ’s incarnation.
His perfect life destroyed all speculation,
For the angelic host were granted satisfying verification.
The Almighty’s character was given it’s rightful recognition.

Now only men needed the same restoration
From Satan’s deception and depreciation.
You know he is angry with much determination
To bring mankind to certain devastation.
Whoever is wise to shun damnation
Will listen to His words of exhortation.
Mankind isn’t headed for complete annihilation,
Because God has His people in every single nation.
These people, you see, have gone beyond justification;
For all have experienced total sanctification
In God’s judgment hour called investigation.

This is the process of entire extermination
Of all that’s called sin to its foundation.
They have all been made new, a recreation.
These are God’s people for His vindication,
And for His holy character, a grand manifestation.
Satan has no power or manipulation
Over these people of God in any location
Now you probably wonder the identification
Of the people portrayed in this illustration.

They can be found in God’s Revelation,
In chapter fourteen of much familiarization.
An interesting study without limitation
Is the hundred forty four thousand for God’s glorification.
A profound responsibility rests upon this population,
To be to the world a perfect representation,
To give God’s true character reconciliation,
And to the people of the earth this realization.

So let’s put to an end all procrastination,
For near is the end of our probation.
Short is the time of our liberation,
And nearer and nearer is the great tribulation.
The rapidity of the last movements is beyond imagination,
As the upswing begins its intensification.

Know and understand the interpretation.
Study to know without any cessation.
This age we are in is the last generation,
So come to the Lord in deep humiliation.
Be always ready for the great translation,
On the day of heaven’s glad celebration,
Where we shall spend the thousand year vacation.


S. Leacock

My Notes on Daniel 2

Daniel 2 Notes King Nebuchadnezzar got a strange dream in the second year of his reign & when he awoke he was really upset. He couldn’t remember the dream. But he knew it was important. So he called all the wise man of Babylon to tell him what had dreamed---




Wise men = psychics,
Magicians = casters of spells, witches
Astrologers = Foretelling future by star charts, fortune tellers
Sorcerers = Claim to communicate with the dead.
Spiritualists Chaldeans = Philosophers of psychic divination,
They all failed to tell the King, so He was so angry. “Kill all these wise men and magicians!” he said. Daniel and his friends were to die too because they were among the wise men and magicians. “Then Daniel went in, and desired of the king that he would give him time, and that he would shew the king the interpretation.” Daniel 2:16
“Then Daniel went to his house, and made the thing known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions: That they would desire mercies of the God of heaven concerning this secret; that Daniel and his fellows should not perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon."Daniel 2:17,18

NB--Daniel could have prayed alone, and doubtless would have been heard. But in the union of God’s people there is prevailing power.

Then He returned---"Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king ebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days" Daniel 2:26-28

" ...for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done....Isaiah 46:9,10

“Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. This image’s head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.” Daniel 2:31-33

“Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands,which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together,and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.” Daniel 2:34,

35 Now Daniel begins to open one of the most comprehensive histories...He says to the King "...Thou art this head of gold.” Daniel 2:38

“And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.” Daniel 2:39 images
“And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but there shall be in it of the firmness of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. ” Daniel 2:40-1
Iron is used in the Bible as a symbol of ruling power. It stands for Civil or State power. Clay is used in a figurative way in describing God’s people or church. Miry clay denotes filthy or corrupted churches.
Ten Kingdoms—Huns , Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Franks, Vandals, Suevi, Burgundians, Heruli, Anglo-Saxons, and Lombards.
“…but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.”Dan 3:43
Time and again men have dreamed of rearing on these dominions one mighty kingdom. Charlemagne tried it. Charles V tried it. Louis XIV tried it. Napoleon tried it. Hitler tried it. None of them succeeded. A single verse of prophecy was stronger than all their hosts. “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

"Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.” Daniel 2:44-45

The ‘Stone, cut out without Hands’ represents the final generation of God’s faithful who will be prepared by God to carry forth an important work in the final hours of earth’s history. They carry forth the final message of mercy and warning that leads quickly to the Second Coming of Christ to take His faithful home.

This Final Generation of God's Faithful ones will be a people who have turned from sin and rebellion to totally love, honor and obey God. They will stand in the last generation as a wonder to behold--a small group of faithful people showing the character of Jesus in a world gone crazy with pride and rebellion. We must choose to be among them--because when Jesus comes, only they, with the resurrected righteous dead, will go home with Jesus!



Jesus will come for His children who have obeyed His word and accepted His salvation. We must be ready for this coming! All signs foretold indicate it must be soon! Now is the time to seek the Lord with all our hearts and He promises to be found of us--as we study His Word and practice obeying what we learn, He will lead us to be ready to meet Him in peace on that day!

Lets Prophesy Again 2

"... Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."Revelation 10.

To prophesy again,its very important brethren that we go back to the man who unlocked the 2300 days prophecy and hear the revelation he got from God as he was studying the scriptures.

WILLIAM MILLER’S EXPLANATION OF SYMBOLS

[This was provided strictly for a better understanding of William Miller’s, as well as that of many other Millerites, mind set and not necessarily to provide an understanding of Biblical symbolism.]

ADULTERY – Idolatry Jer. 3:9; Ezek. 23:37
AIR – Spirit of piety - false theories Eph. 2:2
ALTAR – Christ Ps. 43:4; Heb. 13:10
AMON – A people, or son of my people
ANCIENT OF DAYS – God Dan. 7:9
ANGEL – Christ or messenger of God Ex. 23:20; Rev. 1:1; 20:1

ARK – Christ Ps. 132:8; Num. 10:33
ASCENSION INTO HEAVEN – Dignity and honor John 6:62; Isa. 14:13, 14; Rev. 11:12
ASLEEP – Death Acts 7:60; 2 Pet. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:18
AWAKE – Resurrection Job 14:12; Ps. 17:15; John 11:11; Dan. 12:2

BABYLON – Confusion, mixture, worldly
BALAAM – Their destruction without the prophet
BALANCE – Justice or worldly mind Daniel 5:27; Rev. 6:5
BANNER – Gospel ensign, love Cant. 2:4

BEASTS – Kingdoms or powers Dan. 7:3, 17; Rev. 4:6-8; 5:8, 9
BEHELD or BEHOLDING – Joy, or grief, according to the circumstances Ps. 119:158; Rev. 11:12
BED – A place of confinement Rev. 2:22; Isa. 28:20
BELLY – Practical part Rom. 16:18; Job 15:35; Rev. 10:9, 10; Luke 15:16;John 7:38
BIND – To judge and condemn Matt. 12:30; 22:13
BIRD or FOWL – Warriors and conquerors Isa. 46:11; Jer. 12:9; Rev. 18:2
BIRTH – Deliverance from heavy judgments Isa. 37:3-20; 66:9
BLACK – Error, cruelty, death Jer. 4:28; Rev. 6:5-12
BLASPHEMY – Idolatry Isa. 65:7; Ezek. 20:24-27
BLESS or BLESSED – Saved from sin and from death Ps. 28:9; 37:22; Isa. 61:9; Rev. 14:13
BLIND – Self-righteousness Matt. 1514; 23:16-26
BLOOD – Death, war and slaughter Matt. 27:24; Isa. 15:9; 34:3; Rev. 6:10; 8:8; 11:6; 14:20
BLOWING OF THE WIND – The Holy Spirit doing its office in regeneration Cant. 4:16; John 3:8; Rev.7:1
BOOK – God's designs, knowledge and counsel.
Reading, is to make his designs known. To Seal, is to shut up, or make sure Ps. 139:16; Is. 34:16
BOW AND ARROWS – Victory over enemies Isa. 41:2; Rev. 6:2

BRASS – is used for impudence and sin, warlike Isa. 48:4; Jer. 6:28; Mic. 4:13
BRANCH – a descendant or offspring Isa. 11:1; Jer. 23:5; Dan. 11:7
BREAD – Doctrine of life Amos 8:11; Matt. 4:4
BREAST-PLATE – Defense or armor Isa. 59:17; Rev. 9:9
BREASTS – Consolation, word of God Isa. 66:11
BRIDLE – The restraining power of God Isa. 30:28


BRIMSTONE – Curse of God Isa. 30:33; 11:4
BURNING WITH FIRE – is to destroy, or change their state completely Mal. 4:1-3; 2 Pet. 3:10, 11;Rev. 20:9
BUY, or BUYING – is used as an act of giving or receiving religious instruction Isa. 55:1; Rev. 3:18; 13:17

CANDLE – is light Jer. 25:10; Matt. 5:15; Luke 11:36; 15:8
CANDLESTICKS – The means of light; as the kingdom of Christ, the two witnesses, and seven churches, are called candlesticks Dan. 5:5; Zech. 4:2, 11; Rev. 2:5; 11:4
CARMEL – The vineyard of God Mich. 7:14
CHAIN – signifies the laws of God; or man, in prophecy Ps. 149:8; Acts 28:20; Jude 6
CHITTEM – Those that bruise Dan. 11:30
CITY OF GOD – New Jerusalem Heb. 12:22; Rev. 3:12
CITY OF NATIONS – Antichrist, or Babylon. The streets of the great city are the ten kings Rev. 16:19; 17:18; Rev. 11:8, 13
CLOUD, or TO RIDE ON A CLOUD – is an emblem of power and great glory. Sometimes it means heavy
judgments Matt. 24:30; Joel 2:2; Zeph. 1:15
CROWN – Dignity and honor Prov. 16:31; Isa. 28:1-5; 62:3
CRY or CRIED – To be sensible of want. Prayers and petitions for relief; or forerunner of war
2 Kings 4:40; Ps. 30:2-8; Rev. 14:18

DARKNESS – Ignorance, unbelief, and every evil work, confusion, and horror Prov. 4:19; Isa. 60:2; Eph. 5:11
DAY – is one year - revolution of the earth in its orbit Num. 14:34; Ezek. 4:5, 6; Dan. 9:24
DAY OF THE LORD – Judgment day, or 1000 years 1 Thess. 5:2; 2 Pet. 3:8-10; Rev. 20:4-7
DEATH – Separation from body, from holiness, from God; inactive, separate from former state. This is the proper sense
DESERT or WILDERNESS – paganism, or away from the force of the laws of the Romish Church
Isa. 40:3; Ezek. 47:8; Rev. 12:6
DEVIL – Roman government; pagan and papal, when used as a symbol Rev. 2:10; 12:9; 22:2


DEW AND RAIN – signify the pouring out of the Spirit and heavenly blessing Ps. 133:3; Prov. 19:12; Hosea 14:5
DOGS – Wicked men and teachers Isa. 56:10; Rev. 22:15; Phil. 3:2; Ps. 59:6-14
DRAGON – Rome pagan, afterwards papal, persecuting governments
Rev. 17:8
DRUNKENNESS – Intoxicated with worldly riches, pleasures and honors Isa. 29:9; Matt. 24:49; Luke 21:34
EAGLE – denotes a people hid, or out of sight Rev. 12:14; 4:7; Matt. 24:28
EARTH – The Roman kingdom Rev. 13:12; 19:2

EARTHQUAKE – Revolutions Hag. 2:21, 22; Rev. 6:12; 16:18
EAT – To consume or destroy Rev. 17:16; James 5:3; Rev. 19:18
ELDERS, TWENTY-FOUR – denote the whole priesthood, taken from twenty-four courses 1 Chron. 24

FIRE – is used to denote destruction, and justice of God or the Word of God Ps. 68:2; Heb. 12:29; Jer. 5:14
FLESH – Riches and honors of the world 2 Pet. 2:10-18; 1 John 2:15, 16; Rev. 19:18
FLOOD – Great numbers Isa. 59:19; Dan. 9:26; Rev. 12:15, 16
FOREHEAD – Public profession, or character Jer. 3:3; Ezek. 9:4; Rev. 7:3; 13:16
FROGS – The symbolic meaning of frogs (say some) is flatterers or impostors Rev. 16:13

GARMENTS – denote the character, as white denotes purity or righteousness; rags, filthy; sackcloth, mourning Dan. 7:9; Zech. 3:3, 4; Rev. 16:15
GOD – when used as a symbol, denotes a prince, ruler, or magistrate 1 Cor. 8:5; Gal. 4:8
GRAVE – To hide in secret; put out of memory Job 14:13
GRASS – means people, as green the righteous, dry or stubble the wicked Isa. 40:6, 7, 8; 1 Pet. 1:24; Rev. 8:7; 9:4

HAIL – denotes wars, slaughter and desolation, by some Northern government Isa. 28:2, 17; 30:30, 32; Rev. 8:7
HAND – Symbol of action and labor Isa. 10:13; 48:13; Rev. 20:1; Dan. 8:25 HARLOT – An idolatrous community, or church Isa. 1:21; Jer. 3:1-8; Rev. 17:5
HARVEST – The gathering of men to their final destiny Matt. 13:39; Jer. 51:33; Joel 3:13
HEAD – The supreme power of the object Dan. 2:38; Eph. 1:22; Rev. 19:12
HEAT – Anger, calamity Deut. 29:24; Ezek. 3:14; Rev. 16:9
HEAVEN – Government of God with his people Deut. 11:21; Isa. 49:13; Matt. 16:19; 25:1, 14; Dan.
7:18, 22
HILL – Kingdoms Isa. 2:2; 5:25; Mic. 6:1, 2
HORN – Kings Dan. 7:24; 8:20, 21; Rev. 17:12, 16
HORSE – War and conquest Prov. 21:31; Jer. 8:6 White, victory – Rev. 6:2; 19:11
Black, distress and calamity – Rev. 6:5
Red, war and hostility – Rev. 6:4
Pale, death and destruction – Rev. 6:8

IRON – Strength Dan. 2:33-41; Rev. 2:27
ISRAEL – Christian church Isa. 45:4-25; Gal. 6:16
ISLANDS – Small governments in Roman states Ezek. 26:15, 16; Zeph. 2:11; Rev. 10:20; 6:14

JERUSALEM – The church of God Isa. 52:9; Gal. 4:26
JEZEBEL – Antichrist 1 Kings 18:19; Rev. 2:20; 8:36; Rev. 6:4; 11:7

KILLING – Depriving of power Ps. 44:22; Rom. 8:36; Rev. 6:4; 11:7
KING – Forms of government or power Dan. 8:23; Rev. 9:11; 17:10


LAMB – Messiah Isa. 16:1; John 1:29; Rev. 5:12

LAMP – Word of God or Mahometan Bible Ps. 119:105; Rev. 8:10
LEOPARD – A cruel, fierce, and quick conqueror Hosea 13:7; Hab. 1:8; Rev. 13:2
LION – Valiant, strong, courageous Prov. 28:1; 30:30; Rev. 10:3; 13:2
LOCUSTS – Great armies Isa. 33:4; Nah. 3:15, 17; Rev. 9:3-7

MARK – To profess allegiance. The Roman soldiers had marked foreheads and hands Ezek. 9:4; Rev. 13:16, 17; 14:9, 11
MEASURE – Completed, finished Ps. 29:4; Jer. 51:13; Matt. 23:32; Rev. 11:1
MERCHANTS – Professed ministers of Christ Isa. 23:8, 18; Jer. 14:18; Rev. 18:11, 12, 23
MOON – Gospel or church Isa. 30:26; Rev. 12:1; Cant. 6:10
MOUNTAIN – Governments Isa. 2:2; Dan. 2:35
MOUNTAIN, HOLY – The gospel kingdom or the seat of Antichrist Isa. 11:9; Ezek. 28:14; Dan. 11:45
MORNING – Resurrection of the just Ps. 49:14
MOUTH – Commands, or laws Dan. 7:8; Rev. 13:5; 16:13; 1 Thess. 2:8

NAKED – Shame and disgrace Mic. 1:8, 11; Rev. 3:18; 16:15; 17:16
NIGHT – Moral darkness or wickedness Isa. 21:8; Rom. 13:12; 1 Thess. 5:5; Rev. 21:25
NUMBER or NUMBERED – Finished - end Ps. 90:12; Dan. 5:26; Ezek. 4:4-6; Rev. 13:17, 18

OIL – Faith Matt. 25:8; Cant. 1:3; Heb. 4:2
OX – denotes a people for slaughter Prov. 7:22; Jer. 11:19; Num. 23:1

RAIN – Reformation, grace, refreshing Deut. 32:2; Hosea 6:3; James 5:7
RED – Persecuting, bloody Rev. 6:4; 12:3
RIVERS – People living on the rivers, mentioned Isa. 8:7; Rev. 8:10; 16:4
ROD OF IRON – Power of Christ Ps. 2:9; Isa. 11:1; Rev. 2:27

SCARLET – Bloody, cruel Rev. 17:3, 4
SEA – A large body of people Isa. 57:20; Dan. 7:3; Rev. 7:2, 3
SHIELD AND BUCKLER Ps. 91:4
STARS – Ministers in the church, or rulers in the world Rev. 12:1; Dan. 8:10; 12:3; Jude 13
SUN – As in the natural, so in the moral world, source of all light, Christ or his word Gen. 37:9; Ps. 84:11; Mal. 4:2
SWORD – SlaughterJer. 15:3; Ezek. 21:28
SWORD, TWO-EDGED – Word of God Ps. 149:6; Heb. 4:12; Rev. 1:16; 2:12

TAIL – Subordinate officers or provinces Isa. 9:14, 15; Rev. 12:4
TEETH, LARGE IRON – Strong devouring enemy Dan. 7:7, 19; Rev. 9:8
TEMPLE – The church professedly of Christ or Antichrist Mal. 3:1; 2 Cor. 6:16; Rev. 7:15
THUNDER – Sudden dispersion of armies or kingdoms 1 Sam. 2:10; Isa. 29:5, 6; Ps. 18:13
TREE OF LIFE – Jesus Christ Rev. 2:7; 22:2

VINE – A class of people, as wicked or righteous Hosea 10:1; Rev. 14:18
VOICES – Many people engaged in the same cry to be eased of burdens, or rejoicing Luke 23:23; Rev. 8:5; 11:15, 19

WALK WITH GOD – is to live with and be in communion with him 2 Cor. 6:16; Rev. 3:4

WATERS – Flesh or people Num. 24:7; Isa. 48:1; 8:7; John 5:8; Rev. 17:15
WHIRLWIND – Heavy judgments of God Ps. 58:9; Prov. 1:27; Isa. 66:15
WILDERNESS – Outlawed from the great city Deut. 32:10; Jer. 12:10; Rev. 12:6
WIND – Doctrine, good and bad Cant. 4:16; Isa. 26:18; Eph. 4:14
WINE – is consolation, and anger, and justice Cant. 5:1; Isa. 55:1; Rev. 16:19; 17:2
WINGS – Protection, defense Ex. 19:4; Ps. 17:8; 36:7; Rev. 9:9; 12:14
WITNESS – Christ, prophets and apostles Isa. 43:10; Acts 1:8, 22; Rev. 1:5; 3:14; 20:4
WITNESSES, TWO – Two testaments, scriptures, figured by the two cherubim Rev. 11:3, 4; Zach. 4:3-6; John 5:39; 1 John 5:9; Ex.31:18
WOMAN – The true church and anti-Christian church Isa. 54:6; Jer. 6:2; Rev. 12:1; 17:3, 7

WOOD – People Jer. 5:14
WORDS OF GOD – Fire Jer. 5:14
WRATH, DAY OF – Judgment day Job 21:30; Ps. 110:5; Zeph. 1:15; Rom. 2:5; Rev. 6:17

Lets Prophesy 1

Amos 3:7 “Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.”
“The events of the future will be discerned by prophecy, and will be un-derstood.” {1888 materials 1055.7}
“When the books of Daniel and Revelation are better understood, believers will have an entirely different religious experience. They will be given such glimpses of the open gates of heaven that heart and mind will be impressed with the character that all must develop in order to realize the blessedness which is to be the reward of the pure in heart.” FLB 345.

The best place to begin with prophecy is to start with the symbols and their meanings.....Ok lets hear what William has to say :

WILLIAM MILLER’S RULES OF INTERPRETATION

In studying the Bible, I have found the following rules to be of great service to myself, and now give them to the public by special request. Every rule should be well studied, in connection with the Scripture references, if the Bible student would be at all benefited by them.

1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible. Matthew 5:18

2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study. 2 Timothy 3:15,16,17

3. Nothing revealed in the Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering. Deuteronomy 29:29; Matthew 10:26, 27; 1 Corinthians 2:10; Philippians 3:15; Isaiah 14:11; Matthew 21:22; John 14:13, 14; 15:7; James 1:5, 6; 1 John 5:13, 14, 15.

4. To understand doctrine, bring all the Scriptures together on the subject you wish to know; then let every word have its proper influence, and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in an error. Isaiah 28:7-29; 35:8; Proverbs 19:27; Luke 24:27,44,45; Romans 16:26; James 5:19; 2 Pet. 1:19,20

5. Scripture must be its own expositor, since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound it to me,and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, not the Bible. Psalms 19:7-11; 119:97-105; Matthew 23:8-10; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16; Ezekiel 34:18,19; Luke 11:52; Malachi 2:7,8

6. God has revealed things to come, by visions, in figures and parables, and in this way the same things are often times revealed again and again, by different visions, or in different figures and parables. If you wish to understand them, you must combine them all in one. Psalms 89:19; Hosea 12:10; Habakkuk 2:2; Acts 2:17; 1 Corinthians 10:6; Hebrews 9:9, 24; Psalms 78:2; Matthew 8:13, 34; Genesis 41:1-32; Daniel 2; 7; 8; Acts 10:9-16

7. Visions are always mentioned as such. 2 Corinthians 12:1

8. Figures always have a figurative meaning, and are used much in prophecy to represent future things, times and events; such as mountains, meaning governments; beasts, meaning kingdoms, waters, meaning people,lamps, meaning Word of God, day, meaning year. Daniel 2:35,44; 7:8,17; Revelation 17:1,15; Psalms 119:105; Ezekiel 4:6

9. Parables are used as comparison to illustrate subjects, and must be explained in the same way as figures, by the subject and Bible. Mark 4:13

10. Figures sometimes have two or more different significations; as day is used in a figurative sense to represent three different periods of time.
• Indefinite.
• Definite, a day for a year.
• Day for a thousand years.
If you put on the right construction it will harmonize with the Bible and make good sense, otherwise it will not.Ecclesiastes 7:14; Ezekiel 4:6; 2 Peter 3:8

11. How to know when a word is used figuratively: If it makes good sense as it stands, and does no violence to the simple laws of nature, then it must be understood literally; if not, figuratively. Revelation 12:1,2;17:3-7

12. To learn the true meaning of figures, trace your figurative word through your Bible, and where you find it explained, put it on your figure, and if it makes good sense you need look no further; if not, look again.

13. To know whether we have the true historical event for the fulfillment of a prophecy: If you find every word of the prophecy (after the figures are understood) is literally fulfilled, then you may know that your history is the
true event. But if one word lacks a fulfillment, then you must look for another event, or wait its future development. For God takes care that history and prophecy doth agree, so that the true, believing children of God may never be ashamed. Psalms 21:5; Isaiah 14:17-19; 1 Peter 2:6; Revelation 17:17; Acts 3:18

14. The most important rule of all is, that you must have faith. It must be a faith that requires a sacrifice, and, if tried, would give up the dearest object on earth, the world and all its desires, character, living, occupation,friends, home, comforts and worldly honors. If any of these should hinder our believing any part of Gods word, it would show our faith to be vain. Nor can we ever believe so long as one of these motives lies lurking in our hearts. We must believe that God will never forfeit His word. And we can have confidence that He that takes notice of the sparrow, and numbers the hairs of our head, will guard the translation of His own word, and throw a barrier around it, and prevent those who sincerely trust in God, and put implicit confidence in His word, from erring far from the truth, though they may not understand Hebrew or Greek.

These are some of the most important rules which I find the word of God warrants me to adopt and follow, in order for system and regularity. And if I am not greatly deceived, in so doing, I have found the Bible, as a whole, one of the most simple, plain, and intelligible books ever written, containing proof in itself of its Divine origin, and full of all knowledge that our hearts could wish to know or enjoy. I have found it a treasure which the world cannot purchase. It gives a calm peace in believing, and a firm hope in the future. It sustains the mind in adversity, and teaches us to be humble in prosperity. It prepares us to love and do good to others, and to realize the value of the soul. It makes us bold and valiant for the truth, and nerves the arm to oppose error. It gives us a powerful weapon to break down infidelity, and makes known the only antidote for sin. It instructs us how death will be conquered, and how the bonds of the tomb must be broken. It tells us of future events, and shows the preparation necessary to meet them. It gives us an pportunity to hold conversation with the King of kings, and reveals the best code of laws ever enacted.This is but a faint view of its value; yet how many perishing souls treat it with neglect, or, what is equally as bad, treat it as a hidden mystery which cannot be known. Oh, my dear eader, make it your chief study. Try it well, and you will find it to be all I have said. Yes, like the Queen of Sheba, you will say the half was not told you. The divinity taught in our schools is ways founded on some sectarian creed. It may do to take a blank mind and impress it with this kind, but it will always end in bigotry. A free mind will never be satisfied with the views of others.Were I a teacher of youth in divinity, I would first learn their capacity and mind. If these were good, I would make them study the Bible for themselves, and send them out free to do the world good. But f they had no mind, I would stamp them with another's mind, write bigot on their forehead, and send them out as slaves! -- Views of the Prophecies and Prophetic Chronology, 20-24

Hear What Ellen said on William Miller's rules

“Those who are engaged in proclaiming the third angel's message are searching the Scriptures upon
the same plan that Father Miller adopted. In the little book entitled "Views of the Prophecies and Prophetic Chronology," Father Miller gives the following simple but intelligent and important rules for Bible study and interpretation:
"1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible; 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study; 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering; 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence; and if you can form your theory without a contradiction,you cannot be in error; 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible."
“The above is a portion of these rules; and in our study of the Bible we shall all do well to heed the principles set forth.” {RH, November 25, 1884}

Before We stand as a Perfect People 2

Let me touch a very sensitive subject "meat-eating".This is important because before we see God greater reforms should be seen among God's people.

"There is no evidence of genuine repentance unless it works reformation."GC,p506

Let me start from Eden since we are from eden to eden.

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."--Genesis 1:29

"It was not in the plan of God in creation that the life of any of His creatures should be taken.Death, in man or beast, wherever it might exist,came in consequence of sin,and this whole mammoth custom of taking the life of God's creatures to sustain human life,is simply the fruit of transgression.Had our first parents maintained their Eden innocence,had the curse never fallen upon man or beast,the earth would never have been stained with a drop of blood;the almost universal custom of flesh-eating, with its attendant pain and death, would never have been known. The Creator, in definately stating what should constitute food for man, did not mention flesh." "C.T.B.H p169.

"Even in this life it is not for our good to depart from the will of our Father in heaven. When we learn the power of His word, we shall not follow the suggestions of Satan in order to obtain food or to save our lives. Our only questions will be, What is God's command? and what His promise? Knowing these, we shall obey the one, and trust the other."DA 121.2.

In Numbers chapter 11-We see God tried to make His people vegetarians when He took them out of Egypt.It is important that we study the history of the children of Israel so that we may not repeat the same mistakes.Consider these qoutes:

"Satan's snares are laid for us as verily as they were laid for the children of Israel just prior to their entrance into the land of Canaan. We are repeating the history of that people."5T,p160

"I have seen that self-glorification was becoming common among Seventh-day Adventists and that unless the pride of man should be abased and Christ exalted we should, as a people, be in no better condition to receive Christ at His second advent than were the Jewish people to receive Him at His first advent."5T ,p727.3.

Let me look closely what happened....

"And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?"--Numbers 11:4

"And they tempted God in their heart by asking meat for their lust."--Psalm 78:18.

Then Moses sayed "Whence should I have flesh to give unto all this people? for they weep unto me, saying, Give us flesh, that we may eat."--Numbers 11:13.

Then the Lord gave them their own desire--"And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the camp, and as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth."Number 11:31.

NB-"And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted."Numbers 11:33,34.

Pork eaters be reminded--"They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD."--Isaiah 66:17

Paul says--"Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted...Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."1 Corinthians 10:6,11

" Our habits of eating and drinking show whether we are of the world or among the number whom the Lord by His mighty cleaver of truth has separated from the world. These are His peculiar people, zealous of good works. God has spoken in His word. In the case of Daniel and his three companions there are sermons upon health reform. God has spoken in the history of the children of Israel, from whom for their good He sought to withhold a flesh diet. He fed them with bread from heaven; "man did eat angel's food." But they encouraged their earthly appetite; and the more they centered their thoughts upon the fleshpots of Egypt, the more they hated the food which God gave them to keep them in health physically, mentally, and morally. They longed for the fleshpots, and in this they did just as many in our own time have done. "6T ,p 372.2

"Satan, the author of disease and misery, will approach God's people where he can have the greatest success. He has controlled the appetite in a great measure from the time of his successful experiment with Eve, in leading her to eat the forbidden fruit. He came with his temptations first to the mixed multitude, the beiliving Egyptians, and stirred them up to seditions murmurings.They would not be content with the healthful food which God had provided for them. Their depraved appetite craved a greater variety, especially flesh-meats.This murmuring soon infected nearly the whole body of the people."SOP. Vol 1,p281.

Lets here what the prophet says now........

"The Lord intends to bring His people back to live upon simple fruits, vegetables, and grains. He led the children of Israel into the wilderness where they could not get a flesh diet; and He gave
them bread from heaven. Man did eat angel's food. But they craved the flesh pots of Egypt, and mourned and cried for flesh, notwithstanding that the Lord had proposed that if they would
submit to His will, He would carry them into the land of Canaan, and establish them there, a pure, holy, happy people, and there would not be a feeble one in all their habitations, for He would
take away all sickness from among them. But although they had a plain 'thus saith the Lord,' they mourned, and wept, and murmured, and complained, it displeased the Lord;..." SpM45-46

"Again and again I have been shown that God is trying to lead us back, step by step, to His original design,-- that man should subsist upon the natural products of the earth. Vegetables, fruits, and grains should compose our diet. Not an ounce of flesh meat should enter our stomachs. The eating of flesh is unnatural. We are to return to God's original purpose in the creation of man." Counsels on Diet and Foods, pg. 380.

"Meat eating...has always been a curse to the human family..., and our only safety now is in leaving meat entirely alone." Counsels on Diet and Foods,p 412

"Will the people who are seeking to become holy, pure, refined, that they may be introduced into the society of heavenly angels, continue to take the life of God's creatures, and enjoy their flesh as a luxury? From what the Lord has shown me, this order of things will be changed, and God's peculiar people will exercise temperance in all things." CTBH 48.2.

"...we do not hesitate to say that flesh meat is not necessary for health or strength. If used it is because a depraved appetite craves it. Its use excites the animal propensities to increased activity and strengthens the animal passions. When the animal propensities are increased, the intellectual and moral powers are decreased. The use of the flesh of animals tends to cause a grossness of body and benumbs the fine sensibilities of the mind."2T p63.2.

“If ever there was a time when the diet should be of the most simple kind, it is now. Meat should not be placed before our children. Its influence is to excite and strengthen the lower passions, and has a tendency to deaden the moral powers. Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven.” 2T 352

"Those who believe present truth...should refuse to eat flesh meat." EV 265

"It has been clearly presented to me that God's people are to take a firm stand against meat eating." CDF 383

"Those who use flesh meat disregard all the warnings that God has given us concerning this question. They have no evidence they are walking in safe paths." Ibid., p. 383.

"Among those who are waiting for the coming of the Lord, meat eating will eventually be
done away; flesh will cease to form a part of their diet. We should ever keep this end in view, and endeavour to work steadily toward it." Counsels on Health, p. 450.

"Those who are in a position where it is possible to secure a vegetarian diet, but who choose to follow their own preferences in this matter, eating and drinking as they please, will gradually
grow careless of the instruction the Lord has given regarding other phases of the present truth and will lose their perception of what is truth." Testimonies, Vol. 9, pp. 156, 157.

"Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God's people, to walk no more with them .... Far better give up the name of Christian than make a profession and
at the same time indulge appetites which strengthen unholy passions .... [God] calls for decided reformation." Counsels on Health,pp. 575-579.

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."--1 Corinthians 3:16,17.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."--1 Corinthians 6:19,20 .

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."1 Corinthians 10:31.

May God help us to live up to the light He has given us up to the present.

God Bless.

Before We Stand as a Perfect People 1

We are from Eden To Eden.......

How did we lose Eden and How can will we gain it back?..."And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."Genesis 3:6

Listen to what the prophet of God says...

""Adam and Eve fell through intemperate appetite. Christ came and withstood the fiercest temptation of Satan, and, in behalf of the race, overcame appetite, showing that man may overcome. As Adam fell through appetite, and lost blissful Eden, the children of Adam may, through Christ, overcome appetite, and through temperance in all things regain Eden."Counsels on Diet and Foods ,p70

"As our first parents lost Eden through the indulgence of appetite, our only hope of regaining Eden is through the firm denial of appetite and passion."3T ,p491

Christ came to redeem us on the point on which Adam fell...........

"Intemperance lies at the foundation of all the moral evils known to man. Christ began the work of redemption just where the ruin began. The fall of our first parents was caused by the indulgence of appetite. In redemption, the denial of appetite is the first work of Christ."In Heavenly Places, p194

"One of the temptations that overcame our first parents was the temptation to indulge appetite. By this long fast Christ was to show that appetite can be brought under control."The Story of Jesus,p45

Christ began this work of redemption by reforming the physical habits of man.--3T. p. 486.

God expects nothing from us but self-control.....................

"One of the strongest temptations that man has to meet is upon the point of appetite."3T p485.

"God demands that the appetites be cleansed, and that self-denial be practiced in regard to those things which are not good. This is a work that will have to be done before His people can stand before Him a perfected people."9T 153.

"Every true Christian will have control of his appetite and passions. Unless he is free from the bondage and slavery of appetite he cannot be a true, obedient servant of Christ. It is the indulgence of appetite and passion which makes the truth of none effect upon the heart. It is impossible for the spirit and power of the truth to sanctify a man, soul, body, and spirit, when he is controlled by appetite and passion."3T p569

Eating merely to please the appetite is a transgression of nature's laws.-- U. T., Aug. 30, 1896

'The controlling power of appetite will prove the ruin of thousands, when, if they had conquered on this point, then they would have had the moral power to gain the victory over every other temptation of Satan. But those who are slaves to appetite will fail in perfecting Christian character."3T ,p491

"I then saw that the appetite must be denied, that rich food should not be prepared, and that which is spent upon the appetite should be put into the treasury of God. It would tell there and those that denied themselves would lay up a reward in heaven. I saw that God was purifying His people."3SM ,p274

"It is impossible for those who indulge the appetite to attain to Christian perfection.--2T, p. 400.

"We repeat, intemperance commences at our tables. The appetite is indulged until its indulgence becomes second nature. By the use of tea and coffee an appetite is formed for tobacco, and this encourages the appetite for liquors."CH,p607.

"When we realize the requirements of God, we shall see that He requires us to be temperate in all things. The end of our creation is to glorify God in our bodies and spirits which are His. How can we do this when we indulge the appetite to the injury of the physical and moral powers? God requires that we present our bodies a living sacrifice. Then the duty is enjoined on us to reserve that body in the very best condition of health, that we may comply with His requirements. Whether, therefore, ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." CD ,p155

"...one of the highest attainments in the Christian life is to control appetite, and that, without this victory,all hope of heaven is vain." --James White,Christian Temperance 206



It is possible brethren....

"But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself."Daniel 1:8.

JUST FOR FUN-In Daniel 6 maybe the lions purposed in their hearts that they will not defile themselves with the body of a vegetarian man :).

If lions were able to control their appetites ,sure we can.

"Christ fought the battle upon the point of appetite, and came off victorious; and we also can conquer through strength derived from Him. Who will enter in through the gates into the city?--Not those who declare that they cannot break the force of appetite. Christ has resisted the power of him who would hold us in bondage; though weakened by His long fast of forty days, He withstood temptation, and proved by this act that our cases are not hopeless. I know that we cannot obtain the victory alone; and how thankful we should be that we have a living Saviour, who is ready and willing to aid us!"CD, p169

"A pure and noble life, a life of victory over appetite and lust, is possible to every one who will unite his weak, wavering human will to the omnipotent, unwavering will of God."CD,p170.

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. "--Philippians 4:13.

God Bless ,As we prepare to meet our Lord in Peace.

Fighting Real Temptations

The prophet said long time ago..........

"Those who are partakers of the divine nature will not give way to temptation. The enemy is working with all his might to overcome those who are striving to live the Christian life. He comes to them with temptations, in the hope that they will yield. Thus he hopes to discourage them. But those who have planted their feet firmly on the Rock of Ages will not yield to his devices. They will remember that God is their Father and Christ their Helper. The Saviour came to our world to bring to every tried, tempted soul strength to overcome even as He overcame. I know the power of temptation; I know the dangers that are in the way; but I know, too, that strength sufficient for every time of need is provided for those who are struggling against temptation." MYP p81


When Jesus taught us to pray He said we should say "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil"Matthew 6:13.

This is kind of prayer we should not just mention but live.If God is to answer this part of prayer it means that then we should obey the word by not inviting or leading ourselves into temptations.God cannot bless disobedience.

NB--"When the youth attempt to break away from Satan's control, he will redouble his temptations. Taking advantage of their ignorance and inexperience, he attempts to obscure the distinction between right and wrong. He transforms himself into an angel of light, and beguiles by promises of pleasure in a forbidden path. If the youth have formed the habit of following inclination rather than duty, they will find it hard to resist temptation. They do not see the danger in indulging even once in forbidden pleasures. The suggestions of Satan will stir every lingering element of depravity in the heart."--The Signs of the Times, January 19, 1882.

"If you are not experienced in discerning the devices of Satan, your only safety is in prayer." Sons and Daughters of God, p 191.

Jesus said himself "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation."

But we may be praying and still find ourselves overcome by temptation.Why?

Here is a list of the reasons why we find ourselves overcome by sin

1. Not having Christ in your life.
2. Not keeping your eyes on Christ.
3. Allowing your mind to be diverted from God.
4. Failing to realize the need of a constant dependence upon God.
5. Neglecting prayer.
6. Neglecting silent prayer.
7. Appetite and intemperance are the greatest reasons.-Testimonies, vol 3, p 485
8. Not being faithful in the little things.
9. Doubt.-SC-119
10. Impure thoughts.-PP p459
11. Inward sins.-PK p82
12. Not having a correct knowledge of self. 4Tp246
13. Love of money and earthly treasures.-3T p480
14. Ambition for and love of the world.
15. Love of rank and position.
16. Selfishness.
17. Being self-confident or self-righteous.
18. Unbidden association with worldlings and corruption.MYP p82
19. Inviting temptation.
20. If overcome, is easier to fall again.

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. "Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double-minded." James 4:7-8.

Ways on how to resist every temptation are :

1.Knowledge and use of the Scriptures as used by Jesus.-Mathew 4:1-11 i.e by By Christ's example.
2.Obedience to God's word is a shield.
3.Restrict reading to Bible and spiritual books only.-3T p81-2
4.Fully surrender your heart to God.
5.Continual prayer is necessary and essential.-MHp509-10
6.Pray, then firmly resist with every nerve and power.MYPp 248
7.Agonize in prayer.-EW p46
8.Victory over appetite is power to resist all other temptations.3Tp491-2
9.Call and claim divine aid/God's promises.-DAp129
10.Realize own weakness.-DAp382
11.Self knowledge on weak points.-GW p276
12.Unite your weakness with Christ's strength.-MYP p50
13.Strength increases with every victory gained. 5T p183
14.By a godly conversation.
15.Form holy habits of thought.MH p454
16.By faith.-1 John 5:4
17.Practice and spread the present truth.-4T p397
18.Sing praises to God. AH p443
19.Do not reason with it. CH p587
20.Avoid evil associates .-1Corinthians 15:33

"When the first suggestion of wrong is heard, dart a prayer to heaven, and then firmly resist the temptation to tamper with the principles condemned in God's word." SDA Bible Commentary, vol 3, p 1155.

Lastly ....God has given us the promises to claim

1. God will keep you from the hour of.-Revelation 3:10.
2. God gives strength to overcome.-Temperance, p 105.
3. Light from heaven will come as we pray. DAp113; SCp 95.
4. Angels are sent to rescue the faithful. 3Tp47.
5. All can overcome. -1SM, p 226
6. Divine power unites with human power to resist. 4T,p 32-33.
7. Every provision has been made to help. 5T,p 574.
8. God removes for sake of the weak. PKp 255.
9. God will bring truths to memory to combat. GCp 600.
10.All things work together for our good. -Romans 8:28; MHp489.
11.God permits none to come which cannot be resisted. -1 Corinthians 10:13; PPp332.

"Temptation and trial will come to us all, but we need never be worsted by the enemy. Our Saviour has conquered in our behalf. Satan is not invincible. . . . Christ was tempted that He might know how to help every soul that should afterward be tempted. Temptation is not sin; the sin lies in yielding. To the soul who trusts in Jesus, temptation means victory and greater strength."Our High Calling p87

Lets "Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses."-1 Timothy 6:12.

God Bless as we look for that city.

The Character of God

The Character of God-

"The Glory of God is His Character!"

He values and loves the individual.
He always focuses out and down to the little others.
He has never disowned us as his children- even though Satan has worked to make us ugly and disgusting.

Agape love, the true alterocentricity, other oriented, finding one's fulfillment and purpose in the other ones, that is God.
He has never been self centered or alone, the Father, Son, and Spirit always looked to and loved each other.

He has utmost respect for the individual and the right of choice that He gave to us-- without which there can never be any true Love or meaningful relationship.
He makes Himself small and pale as it were, so that his creatures can come into a relationship with Him.

Eros pride, which is the root of sin, on the contrary always seeks to become big and powerful and inspire fear and force obedience.
He is the one that is totally realistic, the day to day realities of our lives are meaningful to Him.

Little things, ordinary things, little people all have value with Him.
He is the one self sufficient being in the universe and yet He made Himself dependent-- on His creatures

He has even gone so far as to allow Himself and His government to be put on trial by His creatures
He will do everything He possibly can to save each of us and make us happy in His universe
His law is what holds the universe together-- that law is based on Agape love, His very essence.

Beings that persist in refusing to allow themselves to be brought into harmony with that universal law will at last have to be returned to where they came from-- nothingness.

This is not a tyrannical arbitrary decision on His part- He will have done everything in His power to give them the chance to see His love and if they consent to belong to Him He will use His mighty power to recreate them to fit into His universe.


He does not, however, at any time impose His will on us -He leads He never forces, drags or shoves- That is why we have to constantly ask Him for this changing, each little step in the process is shown to us a bit at a time and we have to agree and ask for it to be done for us- this is so He will never trespass on our freedom of choice.
Sin only leads to suffering & death, we don't always realize that here in this world but it is inevitable.


Death, decay, dissolution follows separation from God's law of life and His mighty power is what holds the universe and us together. He holds together both the good and the wicked at present as He is giving them a chance to choose and time to see the contrast between His government and Satan's ideas.

When Jesus was tortured to death- it was not His suffering that paid the penalty - somehow satisfying God's Justice- No! No! It was Jesus obedience to His Father's will and law that was needed. Satan did the terrible torture in a desperate attempt to force Jesus to violate the Law. He tried everything to force Jesus to retaliate, loose His temper or use His divine power to defend Himself. Satan failed!! Praise Jesus' name!


God makes Himself totally dependent on our decision and He will never use force or anything that takes from us that power of choice. Anything or anyone that uses force or coercion is in Satan's camp, not God's!


Ultimately there comes a time when some persons have had every possible evidence and yet will still be in rebellion and refuse to co-operate with God and then He will heartbrokenly return those ones to the oblivion they came out of.
He will never force anyone to live with Him who doesn't want to. It is not His wish for any to perish but there is no universe out there that can support life that is not in harmony with the life giver.


Satan cannot support even his own life- all his kingdom is is a fabrication of lies and fantasies- there is no reality to it- the reality is this- only those beings that are in harmony with God and His law can continue to exist- things out of harmony will ultimately perish. There is no problem for God to recreate - the same power that created us and sustains us will change us- but only with our full approval, co-operation and permission.

That is our God! That is the kind of God He is-- And that kind of God I can love forever!

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